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Someone on Tumblr has done an in depth research project on the sets that were used (and partly changed). Read it here: https://pastelcheckereddreams.tumblr.com/post/716339720058257408/four-seasons-manor-set-layout
mekare: Flower patterned Japanese paper (Word of Honor whenzou)
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Here on Tumblr, [tumblr.com profile] mtkay13

Excerpt:

The final hit on the nail (heh) was when I properly read TYK a second time, though. Soon after he put on his disguise, ZZS looks at his own reflection in a river and thinks that "finally, the outside matches the inside", very satisfied. It could be that his sickly exterior reflects how his interior is slowly dying. But it could also very well be that he is trash, and finally looks like trash. And he's happy about it. Later on, when offered new clothes, he's amused by how ridiculous his stupid face and meager body look with such refined fabric on it. Like it doesn't match. ZZS himself loves this persona. He likes looking like this, and I think that's fantastic. I think it's hilarious. I think that ZZS identifying with this appearance is great, liberating, and extremely fun. Also, come on. It's perfect for him. ZZS is the guy who spent two weeks in a cellar and bathed WEEKS after leaving the capital because the smell had gotten too bad, "even for him". I believe ZZS when he says the inside now matches the outside, lol.
shadaras: Xie'er holding his pipa and smirking (Xie'er with Pipa)
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[tumblr.com profile] AiyexAyen recently made a truly lovely series of posts about WenZhou's outfits on the premise of someone asking "What outfit is your fave?"

Come for the impossible ranking task, stay for the beautiful screencaps of outfits and the meta about color symbolism in clothing. (It's written in a very tumblr voice, with lapslock and allcaps for various forms of emphasis, but behind the cheerfully unhinged tone is truly thoughtful analysis.)

Link to post (this is post 1/5; each section has a link to the next at the bottom.)

(At the end, there is a pair of winning outfits!)
shadaras: Xie'er holding his pipa and smirking (Xie'er with Pipa)
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(Episode 36's post also just went up! Don't miss it!)

Here’s a link to one place that episode 37 still currently exists in full (music video + wenzhou (4:30-7:35) + another music video).

Timeline-wise, I assume this takes place around the same time as the flash-forward/final scene of episode 36. Absolutely no way to tell, though! :D It could be a hundred years or more in the future, for all the context we're given!

Recap )

Commentary )

Discussion Prompts/Questions

Please don’t feel limited to these. They’re starting points for anyone who wants them, not the only things to talk about!

1. Did you know about the epilogue when you first watched SHL? Or did you get to ep36, cry, and have people go “Watch this! It’ll help!” as soon as you told them about it?

2. How integral to your experience of SHL is this epilogue?

3. Do you think Wen Kexing and Zhou Zishu stay on the mountain?

4. Do you think this is a happy ending for everyone?
shadaras: Xie'er holding his pipa and smirking (Xie'er with Pipa)
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The end! It is here!

The epilogue/ep37 gets its own (much shorter!) post. :)

Scene List and Notes on Time )

Recap )

Commentary )

Discussion Prompts/Questions

Please don’t feel limited to these. They’re starting points for anyone who wants them, not the only things to talk about!

1. Have your feelings about this episode changed between the first time you watched it and now? If so, how?

2. What do you think about the final scene with adult Chengling? Was it confusing? Is it a happily-ever-after?

3. The end! What’s it like to think about this as the close of everyone’s stories? Is it satisfying? Is there anyone who you wish we’d seen more of?

4. Literally anything you wanna say about having gotten through this rewatch! Was it fun? Useful? Are there other things you wanna do now that it’s done?
shadaras: Xie'er holding his pipa and smirking (Xie'er with Pipa)
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Time to cry! This recap is shorter than usual because I kept being like “;_; I’m sad” and not wanting to write down many details.

Scene List and Notes on Time )

Recap )

Commentary )

Discussion Prompts/Questions

Please don’t feel limited to these. They’re starting points for anyone who wants them, not the only things to talk about!

1. Mo Huaiyang is the worst! Discuss. (Includes any and all deaths of people he killed.)

2. Zhou Zishu drugging Wen Kexing to avoid saying that he’s dying is about as dickish a move as Wen Kexing faking his death without telling Zhou Zishu, so I guess they’re even? Thoughts?

3. Xie-wang might have gotten what he wanted but he sure doesn’t look happy about it. What do you think about his alliance with Duan Pengju here?


Next Time: The end! The mountain, the armory, and the epilogue!
shadaras: Xie'er holding his pipa and smirking (Xie'er with Pipa)
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Exposition! Wedding prep! Definitely not a bunch of angst yet!

Scene List and Notes on Time )

Recap )

Commentary )

Discussion Prompts/Questions

Please don’t feel limited to these. They’re starting points for anyone who wants them, not the only things to talk about!

1. What’s your “favorite” ominous foreshadowing element of this episode?

2. Zhou Zishu’s reactions during dinner always seem so minimal to me. Is this because he’s lost his senses and isn’t attending as well? Is he thinking/processing too much? Something else?

3. Favorite shippy moments! There are a lot, both for wenzhou and for caoxiang. <3


Next Time: The wedding’s ruin, a lot of sadness, and fighting Xie-wang. Also some other stuff! But mostly that.
shadaras: Xie'er holding his pipa and smirking (Xie'er with Pipa)
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Time for the Heroes Conference Round Two: Even More Drama!

Scene List and Notes on Time )

Recap )

Commentary )

Discussion Prompts/Questions

Please don’t feel limited to these. They’re starting points for anyone who wants them, not the only things to talk about!

1. What are your feelings about the Liu Qianqiao parts of this? The script places an emphasis on her ability to choose for herself; how well do you think that was shown? (Was she too kind to Ye Qiufeng?)

2. The stage-play nature of the Second Heroes Conference is endlessly fascinating to me. What are your thoughts about the two different plays being acted how, and how successful they each are?

3. Wen Kexing’s use of his father’s identity in this episode allows him to pull all this off. His argument hinges on reputation: his father’s good reputation, and the acts he can lay upon Zhao Jing to show that Zhao Jing’s reputation should be bad. What thoughts do you have about reputation, both in SHL in general and this episode in particular?


Next Time: The calm before the storm. YBY ensures WKX won’t be imminently killed. WKX explains himself to ZZS (and the viewers) over dinner with some flashbacks. Xie-wang has a nice Zhao Jing toy now. Gu Xiang and Cao Weining prepare for their wedding.
shadaras: Xie'er holding his pipa and smirking (Xie'er with Pipa)
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Every time I see the episode number I’m like “wow we’re getting so close to the end! :O” and then I remember just how much has yet to happen.

Today: The confrontation at White Deer Cliffs!

Scene List and Notes on Time )

Recap )

Commentary )

Discussion Prompts/Questions

Please don’t feel limited to these. They’re starting points for anyone who wants them, not the only things to talk about!

1. On your first viewing, did you have any clue that WKX set up this whole confrontation? If so, at what point did you catch on, and how much did you figure out?

2. Please begin complaining about how Wen Kexing didn’t tell Zhou Zishu what he was doing! Or explain your thoughts about why he did this and how he thought it’d go.

3. Thoughts about the parts of this which aren’t completely mediated by Wen Kexing’s schemes? Ye Baiyi and Rong Changqing? Xie-wang and Zhao Jing? Liu Qianqiao, who deserves so much better than to be a tool in everyone’s plots?


Next Time: The Second Heroes Conference.
mekare: Flower patterned Japanese paper (Word of Honor)
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Soo, I‘m in the process of thinking about Wen Kexing’s living conditions in Ghost Valley once he usurped the old master. Is there any information about this in the novel? (I cannot remember anything clearly being shown in the drama) Alternately, what are your theories, or what have you encountered in fic?
I guess as Master he would have to have an easily defensible area where he (&Gu Xiang) spend their nights (they must sleep at SOME point), plus maybe an optional secret passage that leads out of the valley for secret trips and as an escape route.
But what is it? Does he live in a cave/ a mansion or ...?
shadaras: Xie'er holding his pipa and smirking (Xie'er with Pipa)
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A dramatic rescue, and then lot of plotting and planning!

Scene List and Notes on Time )

Recap )

Commentary )

Discussion Prompts/Questions

Please don’t feel limited to these. They’re starting points for anyone who wants them, not the only things to talk about!

1. What are your favorite theories, headcanons, or fics about the Zhou Zishu rescue plan/missing scenes?

2. When do you think Xie-wang started poisoning the ghosts? It must’ve been before the attack on Qing Feng Sword Sect, but how much before?

3. This episode has so much set-up! I keep thinking of other things that might be interesting to ask questions about and then going “wait that’s really about next episode” (or even two episodes from now). So instead I guess: Look at all the nice shippy content for all the pairings. Look at all the nice juniors. Isn’t this a nice calm before the storm?


Next Time: A nice family dinner! Wen Kexing’s dramatic confrontation and “death” at Mount Qingya! Zhou Zishu is Not Okay! Ye Baiyi attends Zhao Jing’s feast. Some other politics too, probably.
shadaras: Xie'er holding his pipa and smirking (Xie'er with Pipa)
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Time for PAIN :D

(before rewatching this I would just like everyone to know that I remember nothing about this episode except for ZZS’s parts, and probably not even all of that.)

(I'd apologise for the number of screenshots of ZZS at Prince Jin's palace but tbh this isn't too many...)

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mekare: Flower patterned Japanese paper (Word of Honor)
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So, with my admittedly limited reading experience, I think I‘ve noticed a tendency of authors to pile on the hurt on Zhou Zishu, while Wen Kexing gets off relatively lightly. Is that something you have noticed in the fics you read or write? Considering that (at least in my headcanon) Wen Kexing became violent because he had to survive while Zhou Zishu had a lot more freedom of choice I can understand not wanting to make WKX suffer even more (at least not physically).
I know that some writers like to hurt their favourites the most, so it might also just be Zhou Zishu being more popular? I don‘t know enough about the fandom to gauge whether that is true or not.
Or it could just be because he suffers so prettily on the show while Wen Kexing is shown being hurt as a very young child in the flashback and people are reluctant to add to that?

ETA: Regarding choices, simply due to their age, Wen Kexing had a LOT less choice than Zhou Zishu, plus choice at all was basically taken away from him. I think this is part of why I enjoy seeing him wield power so much, because he had to fight tooth and nail to acquire it and needs it to feel safe.
shadaras: Xie'er holding his pipa and smirking (Xie'er with Pipa)
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Happy new year, welcome to 2022, time to watch everyone be sad!

Scene List and Notes on Time )

Recap )

Commentary )

Discussion Prompts/Questions

Please don’t feel limited to these. They’re starting points for anyone who wants them, not the only things to talk about!

1. Everything starts happening a lot now! I know I’m not highlighting everything, so what’s one of your own favorite moments in this episode? For plot reasons, emotional reasons, pure aesthetics… just something you think is cool!

2. Do you have any thoughts on the timeline of this episode?

3. What did you think of Wu Xi and Beiyuan when you first saw them? What do you think now? (If there’s a shift, is it because of thinking about SHL more or because of reading TYK and/or Qi Ye?)


Next Time: Xie-wang’s plans for Mount Qing Feng. Cao Weining and Gu Xiang talk about her past and affirm their feelings. Wen Kexing meets Wu Xi and Jing Beiyuan properly. Prince Jin and Zhou Zishu have a long conversation. Mo Huaizhang and Zhao Jing have a nice chat.
shadaras: Xie'er holding his pipa and smirking (Xie'er with Pipa)
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Merry Christmas (Eve) to those who celebrate. :) This episode is totally seasonally appropriate, since it’s a holiday episode! Very much about holidays!

Scene List and Notes on Time )

Recap )

Commentary )

Discussion Prompts/Questions

1. What is up with Duan Pengju’s relationship with Du Pusa? (And the Scorpions in general, I guess!) From how Zhou Zishu talks about the Scorpions (and how Xie-wang and Zhao Jing don’t seem particularly familiar with Tianchuang), it’s surprising to see that Duan Pengju has a pre-existing relationship with Du Pusa like this.

2. In this episode, personal devotion (as displayed by Xie-wang to Zhao Jing, and Han Ying to Zhou Zishu) seems to get people into trouble more than anything else. Or, at least, set up dangerous situations. Thoughts on this?

3. Holiday prep and feelings! Anything about all the nice bits of this episode? Other moments you like, or details that stand out to you?


Next Time: WKX does his best to save Han Ying. DPJ and Tianchuang arrive at Siji Manor. Qing Feng Sword Sect is attacked. ZZS is taken away. CWN learns that WKX is the Valley Master. WKX has the final bit of his flashback with Zhao Jing. Wu Xi and Jing Beiyuan arrive.

(I should also be posting the next episode’s recap next week, on New Year’s Eve.)
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Scene List and Notes on Time )

Recap )

Commentary )

Discussion Prompts/Questions

1. There are so many things going on during the first half-ish of this episode (the fight with Ye Baiyi and its immediate aftermath). Tell me about the things that catch your attention now, or that caught your attention the first time around!

2. What do you think of Zhou Zishu’s plan for when he and Wen Kexing should tell Chengling about Wen Kexing’s identity? (Or its reflection: Gu Xiang hiding Wen Kexing’s identity, and thus her true past, from Qing Feng Sword Sect and Cao Weining.)

3. ~Themes~ is not a coherent prompt, but. I’ve got my reads on the thematic elements of this show/episode; do you agree? Disagree? Think I’m missing (or misreading) something?


Next Time:
Jin-wang exists! Remember him? Duan Pengju also exists! He’s talking to Zhao Jing (and, separately, the Scorpions). Han Ying makes some choices he thinks are good and what Zhou Zishu would want. Wen Kexing, Zhou Zishu, and Chengling have some nice fancy winter robes for the New Year. Zhao Jing is highly disrespectful to the Five Lakes ancestral tablets. Han Ying arrives at Siji Manor.

(I’ll probably post next week. It’s Christmas Eve, sure, but I don’t think that actually effects how much time I’ll have to write up the next episode? So. Probably!)
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Scene List and Notes on Time )

Recap )

Commentary )

Discussion Prompts/Questions

1. The flashback with Wen Kexing and Yiguo! Do you remember your first feelings about it? How different are those feelings now?

2. How does Luo Fumeng know what trophies Zhao Jing has? Did he have them even when they were engaged?

3. In a non-Zhao Jing topic: Gu Xiang and Wen Kexing are both trying so hard to keep their partners from knowing about the brochure of ghosts. Thoughts about those respective dynamics and how the secrets are starting to leak around the edges?


Next Time: YBY arrives! NI BU PEI! Also some other things, like GX and CWN being domestic, WKX in a bathtub, and Xie-wang telling Zhao Jing that GX and CWN are at Qing Feng Sword Sect.
shadaras: Xie'er holding his pipa and smirking (Xie'er with Pipa)
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One might think that having a week off means that I worked ahead on these. I thought about it! And then I didn’t. :) I hope that Americans had a good Thanksgiving, and that the rest of you had a good end of November. It’s December now! Wild.

Time for some more Siji Manor Feelings! :D And Xiaolian being rescued!

Scene List and Notes on Time )

Recap )

Commentary )

Discussion Prompts/Questions

1. Xiaolian as the voice of the Themes there in the middle of this episode! Talking about forgiveness, and how maybe people don’t really need to die! What do you think of her? Is she naive? Is it a surprise that Shen Shen listens to her? Do you agree with her?

2. The concept of ghosts returning to the human world! It keeps coming up in this show. This episode spends a lot of time on Gu Xiang and Wen Kexing’s feelings about it, though, so I’d love to hear yours!

3. I’m always interested in thoughts about Wen Kexing and his past! This episode lets Wen Kexing actively reflect on his past (and think about his future), so I’d be interested to hear what you think about that. :)


Next Time: A bit more WKX flashback! WKX learns about the ghost book! CWN and GX reach Qingfeng Sword Sect! Xie’er wants to step out of the shadows! Zhao Jing tries to keep Xie’er close but lies to him to provoke sympathy. Luo Fumeng wakes up.
shadaras: Xie'er holding his pipa and smirking (Xie'er with Pipa)
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Two thirds of the way through! :D

Scene List and Notes on Time )

Recap )

Commentary )

Discussion Prompts/Questions

1. We get a bunch of Siji Manor information this episode! Both about what happened to/with Jiuxiao, and about how Zhou Zishu ended up making Tianchuang with Jin-wang to begin with. Thoughts? Feelings? About that, or about Zhou Zishu breaking down and crying when telling Wen Kexing about it?

2. Wen Kexing and his entry into Ghost Valley. This is one of those bits where I know my feelings are tangled up in my TYK feelings, as much as I try to keep them separate, so I’d love to know what y’all think about SHL’s interpretation! And about Xisang Gui and WKX’s relationship and how she (and Bai and Hei Wuchang) survived Ghost Valley and remained in position until/during Wen Kexing’s time as Valley Master.

3. I’d love to know how you interpret Wen Kexing’s feelings about Siji Manor, being called shishu/shidi, and everything else going on here. There’s a really interesting space between when Wen Kexing leaves Zhou Zishu after their nighttime conversation and when Zhou Zishu finds him mending the painting, for one; thoughts about Wen Kexing processing emotions during that time? Or during any of the rest of the episode, really.


Next Time: More Siji Manor family time! GX and CWN run into Huang He, Tao Hong, and Lv Liu (with Xiaolian)! Shen Shen helps rescue Xiaolian! ZZS takes Chengling and WKX to visit QHZ’s grave.

NOTE: I’m taking a break next week. xD It’s American Thanksgiving and also I need a break. :) Just one week off (Nov 26th), and then we’ll get back into it on Dec 3!
shadaras: Xie'er holding his pipa and smirking (Xie'er with Pipa)
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I love hanging around on single-fandom discord servers sometimes, because people post some really neat meta. Last night, a member of a SHL/TYK-focused discord server shared a link to this meta about what yifu and yizi mean and what the meaning of such a relationship is (and why ZJ/Xie'er and similar relationships aren't incestuous) (the meta is also on ao3, as another server member later found).

Despite all the interesting cultural information (which is cool to read!), I think the most surprising part is that it references Xie-wang/Xie'er having a full name: Xiejieliubo (蝎揭留波)

Apparently this name is used once during the show (in ep27) (tumblr post showing a screencap of that use), but I'm pretty sure this wasn't translated/transliterated in youtube (or netflix) subs at all (which is why a lot of english-based fandom might not know it). Someone did mention that the proper translation/transliteration was probably in Viki's subs, though!

(This full name also points to Xie'er originally being from an ethnic/cultural minority. Which isn't surprising, but is nice to see more deliberate canonical reference to.)

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